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Divinus Stella · Jun 17, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

What i wanna know is who is paying you people at work when all you do is post on guru, you must have the best bosses ever.

CyberNigma · Jun 18, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by obastable

Don't be so hasty to jump to conclusions without reading what they wrote. He made an important point regarding time zones, not servers.

Organizing an update for American servers based on an East Coast time zone would leave those on the West Coast just as screwed as they'd be if they were simply on a different server located on a different continent, for the exact same reasons and due to the exact same circumstances that people are already complaining about.

Blanket updates are good; some benefit & some don't. They can't and won't be able to please everyone due to the simple fact that players living on the same contintent don't work, study, and play at the same times.

Unless everyone that plays on a server agrees to a strict schedule of play at this time, work at this time, study at this time, eat/sleep/drink/screw at this time, then there's not a damned thing ANET can do about it. I, for one, don't forsee this happening and so I'm not going to complain if I miss out on something due to my own schedule.

Damn, I guess I should've bolded my entire comment. Here, I'll bold the other part for you..

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

yeah I was meaning around midnight somewhere (maybe central) 'friday night/saturday morning' where you're sure that the day workers are done on either coast for the most part. from what I've seen of several content updates they are done at different times for the different servers (I remember the Korean servers getting some updates before European and American servers during the holidays), so that shouldn't be a problem..

that covers timezones (central is referring to Central Standard Time, a timezone that's in between the east coast and west coast).

CyberNigma · Jun 18, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

What i wanna know is who is paying you people at work when all you do is post on guru, you must have the best bosses ever.

compile times baby, compile times :-)

Kamatsu · Jun 18, 2006, 10:11 AM // 10:11

And what about people from countries OTHER than America who connect to the American server's?

Like here in Australia, we're +10 GMT.. and isn't CST like -6 GMT? This means that updates that are done at say 12:01 Saturday morning will be done at 4 pm Saturday afternoon for us. How's it fair for us that we only get 1 and a bit days over the weekend for changes while you would get the whole weekend for it?

I mean really, I can see why this suggestion is being made - but what time could you nominate that would be able to satisfy people from multiple timezones and countries who connect to the same server (ie Aussies connecting to American server, or aussies conencted to Euro server's, etc)?

CyberNigma · Jun 18, 2006, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by kamatsu

And what about people from countries OTHER than America who connect to the American server's?

Like here in Australia, we're +10 GMT.. and isn't CST like -6 GMT? This means that updates that are done at say 12:01 Saturday morning will be done at 4 pm Saturday afternoon for us. How's it fair for us that we only get 1 and a bit days over the weekend for changes while you would get the whole weekend for it?

I mean really, I can see why this suggestion is being made - but what time could you nominate that would be able to satisfy people from multiple timezones and countries who connect to the same server (ie Aussies connecting to American server, or aussies conencted to Euro server's, etc)?

For that one, I don't have a solution for it. All I was going off of was the idea of the North American servers being updated with respect to North America, Europe for Europe, Korea for Korea, etc.. For the rest of you, I think the problem lies in them either not thinking you're a big enough target or just not getting around to you yet..

I believe, though that you could probably connect to servers closer to your time zone, however I know the language issue exists. In the end, though it IS the North American server, not the English-speaking server (as the brits - European server, French Canadians - NA, and Mexicans -NA - will probably attest to)..

I dunno, sorry.. It should be alright to the majority though and shouldn't be a problem.

I've played with enough Aussies to think that you guys really should get your own server from ANet. Well, aussies and kiwis. I really like Australia (and Australians), too - been there a few times myself :-)

obastable · Jun 18, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

For that one, I don't have a solution for it. All I was going off of was the idea of the North American servers being updated with respect to North America, Europe for Europe, Korea for Korea, etc..

That still doesn't address the issue of people on the same continent working different hours. A large portion of people work nights. My Fiance and I both work rotating shifts in 2 week intervals. 2 weeks on mornings (6am-4pm) then 2 weeks on evenings (2pm-12am). The majority of factory workers also work with a similar type of rotating schedule. Not to mention people who simply work the night shift, or those that attend night time classes.

No matter how you intend your solution to work, it won't. There are too many variables involved that ANET can't control. They will never be able to please all players with all things all of the time. Blanket updates = good.

Something you've overlooked: If a new item was introduced to one server 18 hours before another server had it, there would be a crapstorm like you wouldn't believe coming out of the PvP'ers camp.

CyberNigma · Jun 18, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by obastable

That still doesn't address the issue of people on the same continent working different hours. A large portion of people work nights. My Fiance and I both work rotating shifts in 2 week intervals. 2 weeks on mornings (6am-4pm) then 2 weeks on evenings (2pm-12am). The majority of factory workers also work with a similar type of rotating schedule. Not to mention people who simply work the night shift, or those that attend night time classes.

No matter how you intend your solution to work, it won't. There are too many variables involved that ANET can't control. They will never be able to please all players with all things all of the time. Blanket updates = good.

Something you've overlooked: If a new item was introduced to one server 18 hours before another server had it, there would be a crapstorm like you wouldn't believe coming out of the PvP'ers camp.

I don't think they'd have anything to unbalanace PvP like that. They had items come out during the holiday events (nothing worthwhile to PvP I guess). For PvP-only players that use PvP chars, they can reroll anyways.

I wasn't suggesting they could please everyone, but they could catch the majority:-) Right now they're catching those that don't work or work rotating hours (probably like yourself). That may be the majority (I'm not sure it is), in which case I guess it's great. If someone's going to get screwed by it, it's better the smaller amount of people than the larger amount :-)

As far as cash goes, I know a few people that made their fissure armor off of selling charr carvings at the beginning of the holiday events. Of course I wasn't one of them (dont even really want fissure armor anymore). This was even after the Koreans had access to the new stuff well below the North American servers. I think the majority of players are day workers in North America. I could be wrong, but if I'm right, it would seem to make more sense (if there were zoned updates - per server) that those people are looked at first. I don't think you meant to come off this way, but it seems kind of like you're just the opposite, where you'd rather see the minority of players done right so as not to seem to leave the little guy out (at the expense of the majority).

Remember, this was really a discussion, I don't have any feeling that it will be changed or even looked at seriously.

BTW, since you're on a rotating shift, how is hav ing it on Fri Night/Sat Morning US Central time any worse than it is now for you?

CyberNigma · Jun 19, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

obastable is probably right as far as the introduction of items is concerned. they probably do a sweep just for that reason. the updates do tend to favor Korea time/day-wise and not only is NCSoft from Korea (the publisher), but having been there several times I also really they tend to be more involved in their gaming than other places.. most likely that's the reason for the time and day of updates. the staggered holiday updates can be argued that nothing substantial comes out of them (except cash of course). the only exception I guess is the release of factions, which I believe was staggered.

so if they aren't going to stagger the content updates, then there's no need for change. staggered updates, though, could be timed a bit better for the majority of people that use the appropriate servers as they were named for, which no disrespect to everyone else that uses those servers as a side-effect of not having one. if the kiddies are the majority, then it should definitely be friday night/saturday morning so they could make the most of it (not all schools take a summer break). this especially applies in Korea where school hours and extra hours go into the evening. ANet really needs to get the south pacific its own servers so they don't have to become a 2nd class citizen so-to-speak on someone else's servers. they really deserve their own, with hours catered around them.

i do find it funny sometimes when someone complains about others speaking spanish/french on a north american server, telling them there are international districts and other servers for them. i kindly point out that north america includes other languages than english - such as french and spanish.. however, it is really intended for north america. for now the Korean servers are closer to the timezone of the pacific nations (remember its not a language-based server, which europe demonstrates).